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hi everyone this is Martin Willis

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welcome to Podcast UFO to episode number

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20 today's show is on the entertainment

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side of the phenomenon it's with the

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writer producer and two cast members

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actually three cast members including

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him of Milgram and the fast walkers that

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is a web TV series and it's a fun show

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so call this one for entertainment and I

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that's okay I don't leave that is my no

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leave that is yeah your father's gonna

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love that Johnny keep talking keep

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digging slider I'm gonna get us in

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trouble all right so this is Martin

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Willis and I am on skype this is kind of

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fun today because i'm on skype first of

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all in Baltimore with Richard cutting

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how you doing Richard very well Martin

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thanks for having us yes and we have

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Beverly Hills at the w hotel Johnny

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Alonzo what's going on how are you and

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last but certainly not least Walker

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Hayes how you doing yeah I'm great thank

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you so this is a for internet TV show

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based on UFOs called Milgram and the

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fast walkers and who wants to start who

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wants to start talking about how about

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you Richard since it's your your deal

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you put together and you're the writer

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why don't you talk first of all about

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the basis of the show and how someone

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can find it and what episode you're in

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and before we get into that I could only

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find five episodes are there more

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available online no actually that's our

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release right now we're at the fifth

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episode so you you if you've seen five

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you've seen all that have been released

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so far you right up to speed and it will

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be 12 in season one so that's where we

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stand the less than halfway through

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season one the show started i I've been

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interested in UFOs for a long time and

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have been writing about them for some

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time and back in the day I wrote a

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script about alien abduction when I

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became interested in that side of the

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business I mean I've spent a lot of time

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with you follow gist sand there are so

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many good people working in this field

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you know technically competent people

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across such a wide range of disciplines

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you know everything from material

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science there and effects and psychology

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and exobiology and you know I mean it's

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on and on and I have great respect for

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the people working in this field not

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only because of their expertise but

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because of the you know the sort of

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certain standoffishness by the in quotes

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regular scientific community which is

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now breaking down

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but in any event I saw a lot of dramatic

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material here and at one point I decided

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to write a feature length film about it

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and I did which I began to sell for a

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while and then got on to other projects

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but when the web series format became

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viable for people at our level of

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production you know I immediately seized

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on this as a great topic for episodic

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television in the soap opera format and

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so that's what we did we took a

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storyline that exists I mean we've got

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over 400 pages of materials we could

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shoot this through the next five years

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if you wanted to apply so and and my

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commitment in this series is to take a

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look at the UFO world and specifically

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the alien abduction sub world because

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there are many many different sub worlds

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in ufology as you know Martin you could

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just be the guy who analyzes soil or

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could be the guy who analyzes photos or

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looks at the you know navigation

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propulsion systems it says there's are a

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lot of disciplines here I decided to

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look at alien abduction and know a lot

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of the players in that field over time

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and it's very dramatic and our

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commitment in the series is to try and

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show that albeit in a dramatic form as

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accurately as we can you know based on

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the descriptions of the episodes by

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actual abductees and I've met the number

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of them over the years so we're trying

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to prove it accurate stuff into the

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series again in a soap format at a sort

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of a quasi respect for the youth ology

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field and Walker you're in the right in

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the first episode it looks like you are

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being abducted or in the first episode

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being objective Richard right in the

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front in the prologue pro may we Shiloh

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in the prologue mitch is kind of

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clueless there's a setup you got Milgram

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looking back over what happens so that's

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sort of a setup and then the whole thing

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is sold in flash flash back but yes in

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episode one Sally's working as a lawyer

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den or her living room or kitchen

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actually all right kitchen okay no no I

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got it remember where we shot that book

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but we shot episode three first yes well

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which is now episode I'm f---ing else so

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yeah we should have a sequence so she

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can't say as I blame the aliens for

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abducting miss miss Hayes they're very

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pretty girls and Johnny what sure Carrie

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I saw you briefly in one shot you're a

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p.i yes yes I am Dean said very cool

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character um what I like the newest like

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why I think one of the newer characters

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on the block and he looks like one of

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those guys that just skated through

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school you know and he just kind of like

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may graduation he's very disheveled um

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but he's highly intelligent he's

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extremely intuitive and he's got a

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good-looking son to possess any of those

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qualities sir absolutely not that's all

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my ex-girlfriends they found Savage is

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kind of cool only because the way

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Richard explained it to me it's kind of

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a weird puzzle and Dean Savage is a

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puzzle piece that kind of fits in but

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not really mmm button is necessary in

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order for the puzzle to be put together

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so um I'm really looking forward to the

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second season because he has some really

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interesting stuff for the role and I

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think it's gonna be a lot of fun your

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character doesn't come into play right

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off the bat now you're saying that next

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season is going to be great the first

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thing I thought of when I saw you is

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that you work for the government are you

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somehow able to talk about that at this

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point not really cuz

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holy you can say it yeah yeah then yes

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then yes the answer is yes right you

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know yeah I don't tell them I don't tell

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them anything I Richard is very top

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secret about what he's gonna do next

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with anything and yeah yeah I mean we

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Walker and I will prod him now like dude

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please help us Isaac no no no no no no I

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can't give away secrets I think it's

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because Richard hasn't written anything

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yet but uh yeah no he's just very top

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secret so i wish i had more from an

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answer but i can say this he did divulge

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an episode like i said season 2 which

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man if it plays out this vac story with

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Dean Savage is gonna be really really

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cool and of course Sally but uh yeah you

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know it's it's gonna be neat i mean he's

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out the writer and I mean that you know

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an artist works the way he wants them

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one needs to work so I respect it but um

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Richard I'll keep bugging analogy I

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still want to know no actors always want

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this thing called back story and they

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want to know what their characters about

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you know they want to do all this crazy

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stuff that they think really makes a

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role work you know and i don't get it i

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mean i think they should just get a page

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of dialogue right as they go on camera

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you know and I don't understand that but

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what we all we all know our past but we

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none of us really know our future right

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thank God yeah yeah I'm gonna start with

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you Walker what is your opinion on UFOs

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and all that abductions even Richard

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made me read a bunch of books and so I

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don't know i mean i would say like as I

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get older I'm more open to the

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possibilities of everything um but if

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you had asked me like five years ago I

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would have been like right right right

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right yeah so I'm more open now than i

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would have been and after reading some

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of this stuff means very compelling when

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you hear accounts of people being in

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different countries and all over the

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world and back in the day before the

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for you know radio and things like that

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and so the stories are so similar when

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they really couldn't have like

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corroborated one another mm-hmm and I

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just said that kind of stuff is really

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interesting to me but yeah I mean I

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watched a lot of science fiction as a

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kid as my dad and and I always found it

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really entertaining so i like i like the

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idea that there could be something else

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out there and I watch a lot of ancient

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aliens oh yeah whoo it's just like

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conspiracy theory at its finest I love

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it so so I'm very open I don't have like

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a set opinion one way or the other but I

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do find it entertaining and and very

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intriguing mm-hmm well there's about you

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know I guess as far as the Americans

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America goes there's fifty percent or so

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people believe that they exist and it's

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something like seventy percent of the

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population believes the government knows

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something that they're covering up which

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these are going back to the roper

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polls-- in the in the 90s goes Lu yeah

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that's right yeah yeah now I saw in

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episode 4 I believe it is Richard you

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were at the at a bookstore at a book

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signing nobody was there unfortunately

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but you reached over to this UFO book

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and that was I believe it was about but

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Hopkins book well that's an interesting

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thing i have decided in just to be

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playful with the UFO community because i

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really want people who enjoy this topic

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to come and see our our series you know

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it's a soap opera so it's for soap fans

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but also UFO people and i decided to

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sort of salt every episode with what you

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know you might call an easter egg you

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know a little hidden program in a little

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hip reference and if you stop that frame

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and you look at that book it says i

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think it does mac hopkins bud or bud

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Matt Kopp yeah something all askew there

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yes so so I've titled it and Walker and

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Johnny you wouldn't necessarily know

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this but those are three of the most

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prominent people in the UFO alien

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abduction you know but budd hopkins john

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but so that we do run of the books that

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you had me read but happens at the

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Aussie intruders yeah the incident in

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Coakley woods probably you Jordan what

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whole UFO phenomena well ever since as

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you know a little boy as a kid I mean

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you're always fascinated with the idea

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and you believe in it you know um me

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though the opposite of what Walker was

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answered um I never she kind of grew

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into book you know believing that could

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be something else out there I'd never

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stopped believing oh there's a romance

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after it better than me though there has

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to be no there's like this bromance a

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lot of them there's a romance about it

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and when we get older we kind of lose

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that and I've just never have and I I

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also work on another program that works

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with NASA and come on you wouldn't

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Biddle area 51 if you're just gonna be

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housing like a bunch of cars you know

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what I'm saying there's stuff there's

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stuff out there I believe and I want to

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believe and like I said it's a romance

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for me that I've never I've never

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changed my song or dance with and when

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Richard offered this role to me and he

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gave me a chance to work with this great

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cast and crew but um just the whole idea

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you know the writing the genre it's uh

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it's fascinating it's very very cool

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it's exciting well the first thing I

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noticed right away was that there is

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very good writing I noticed it right

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away in the prologue and the filming

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it's HD it's is very nicely filmed

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edited well all that it looks like

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you're really putting a lot in these

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episodes there are only seven minutes

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long which they were longer but that's

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built that that's the ultimate

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compliment right there you wish they

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were long it's yeah is that can you

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explain why they're seven minutes well

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you know this is this is an interesting

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artifact of the web series format as its

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developing this is a very fast-moving

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format if you would looked at the web

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series format this is online TV episodic

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TV two years ago you would have seen you

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know 75% comedy

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you know single locations handheld

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cameras things like that they're really

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very specific characteristics to these

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things in the last year and a half

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you've now got more drama longer episode

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lengths they're shooting in 16 by 9 for

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instance they used to shoot in 720 for 3

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these are aspect ratios so this whole

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this whole format of television has

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changed radically in two years one of

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the biggest changes is the episode

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length is lengthening for dramatic and

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that's a big matter of discussion in the

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webseries community and there is a

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webseries community there are you know

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maybe 300 400 producers around the world

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now who produce at the sort of in the

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general way that we do I mean there's

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thousands of shows but you know when you

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go to the festivals and you talk to

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these folks this is a big matter of

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discussion on the business side how long

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should you represent let's be and

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they're making it up as they go along

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everybody is no there is no there's no

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Nielsen there's no network format you

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know there's no 28.5 minutes of format

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you got to fill with commercial pods at

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x y&z points you know so it's a very

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open issue and you hit upon a main thing

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because for guys like us who don't have

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a lot of money how long your episodes

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are directly related to how much money

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you got to spend and so you know there's

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a very practical level of this that

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there's you're producing to a level that

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you can basically do and still continue

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the story in a way that as you said you

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want to see more so there's a lot of

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factors that go into that and we hope to

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extend the length of them because we've

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got much more story to tell them this

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story gets very much more

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multi-dimensional particularly with

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people Adam Savage and Sally quickly in

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the next season so it's going to be real

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trick not to get too far off a track but

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op track but do you consider this Web TV

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similar to podcasting versus radio to

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television versus web TV is it a

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similarity yeah yeah

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i would say because you control the

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timing and the release you're not

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beholden to a network you are

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independent in your stub subject

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selection you can produce your own

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material in a pod so to speak like you

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do foo and then string them together as

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a series of episodes or you know

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documentary episodes whatever you want

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to do so yes it's independent of a

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network so i would say that's a pretty

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good rough analogy now would you at any

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point in time consider making a DVD

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video of these things and join them

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together so someone could buy a DVD oh

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yeah we definitely have plans to do that

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mm-hmm we have plans to do that and

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we've shot it so that that can be done

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you know we're really working on getting

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three to four seasons up so that we can

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have a regular show and that's something

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if you shoot it right you can do that

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that's not too are you know so the

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answer to that is yes where where it

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goes after that I don't know what kind

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of distribution I you know now is it

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possible for a producer to find your

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Show online and say they want to put it

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to broadcasting yes it's very possible

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and they should contact me directly yes

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call 555 Richard well it is two things

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you know one is yes absolutely we would

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absolutely sit down across the table

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from a one in the production community

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to discuss making this you know a

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regular regular in quotes television

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show that's fine we intend to produce it

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whether that happens or not or just go

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forward because we got such a great team

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and everybody's loving the story i mean

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the the news i can break on your podcast

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here today is we just went over a

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million show views on cold cast net or

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wow yeah just on one network and you're

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also on youtube yeah we're on youtube

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too right

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so so there's you know you produce these

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things and you wonder if you're half

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crazy and then you go out there and the

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market responds and you know we enforce

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some people to hit the button it's

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really happening and it's very exciting

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because if you think about what we're

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trying to do here we're trying to create

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a three-way cross section in the road

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you know I always think of the Cary

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Grant running down the corn fields there

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and North by Northwest and with all

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those roads meet one is soap operas one

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is UFOs and one is film noir and we seem

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to be hitting all those audiences and

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they come together for their various

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interest in those three genres hmm

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market saying that the feedbacks in now

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Walker and Johnny have you ever heard of

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Cary Grant of course just teasin so you

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said earlier that you have spoke to

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several UF ologist and are you are they

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assisting you with the storyline or

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anything no you know I go to the

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conference's I was at the ozark

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conference in April and I spent a long

430
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time with david jacobs who's wonderful

431
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rock on to her a lot of a lot of fun to

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hang out with I know Linda Moulton Howe

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you know and new bud before he died and

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I knew John Mack obviously because I did

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that interview with him before he died

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but I know I I really haven't pulled any

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one in because you know it's a funny

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thing there's sort of a gap between

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dramatic programming and the work of the

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ufologists and they do kind of look over

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the fence and no i don't know if that's

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something that i'd be interested in

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because they're researcher you know and

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for dramatic programmers whereas

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dramatic programmers look over at the

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ufologist and go I don't know what those

447
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guys are doing we write dramas you know

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so there's a little bit of a gap and

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we're hoping to fill that gap I have no

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formal relationships with anyone in

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ufology to the consult or any other role

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in the show can call him if I need them

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no and they're very happy to pick up the

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phone and say oh yeah

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and that's kind of the way that would

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work or something but you know nothing

457
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wrong well you know when I started this

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podcast I didn't know how I'd be

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received by you know people in the field

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and everyone everyone is very willing to

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talk and it's been great so far well I

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look at you the people who have been on

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your show Stanton Friedman and so many

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people i mean you know Walker and Johnny

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if you go and you look at these shows

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I'm it would've been up since March or

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January again yeah not that long yeah

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these are if you look at these names

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these are the hitters today in in the

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UFO field I mean you could listen these

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shows and learn eighty percent of what

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people have been studying this for 10

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years no because these people are so

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good at this stuff it's great guestlist

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yeah but thank you pop and and now

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you're on it so that's good night at us

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yeah yeah give up your guy Kesha I'm

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gonna explain to you how she was forged

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in the sky I think she was abducted a

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long time ago certainly mother at very

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we can't that face is not human no you

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should invite him on this show exchange

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stuff well you do have a very mysterious

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person there I haven't seen him in the

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show but it's in the beginning in the

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credits some guy wearing a top hat a

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brim hat yeah yeah I wonder what he's up

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to yes Richard will not tell you

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anything I'm telling you right I would

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say if one it's get a feel for this guy

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you're probably going to want to look in

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around episode 6 is what I'm thinking he

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will show up Walker goes out into the

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she's having a real rough time at work

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and so she goes out into the parking lot

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around into a park and has to compose

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herself and things happen out there so

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we'll be around you know this is this

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is sort of there's many things that

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attend this Martin you know you know

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from ufology there's the Mothman and the

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men in black and the reptilians and and

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on and on this Johnny and Walker this is

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it you apology is a giant stage play

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with many many different characters that

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are recognizable for people studying

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this for a while and he's one of those

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like home I've watched all of the five

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episodes that are up now can you kind of

510
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talk about where the story starts and I

511
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know you can't say too much but more or

512
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less where the story is going toward

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Richmond can you tell us where this

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thing will end everyone's yeah I'm gonna

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help you guys so you can figure out

516
00:23:00,519 --> 00:22:58,009
roles that's right well we have a

517
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hotshot corporate litigator Sally lamb

518
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who is really good at what she does and

519
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and she's a bit of a control freak and

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if you've ever met any corporate

521
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litigators that might be possible and

522
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she's trying big cases but she can't

523
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sleep and she doesn't know why and she

524
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has a certain intimacy problems and she

525
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doesn't know why and she thinks it's

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just dressed and then that doesn't

527
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really adequately solve things and she

528
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starts to get more and more freaky as

529
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time goes on and you know when you lose

530
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sleep it's just a compounding thing and

531
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she doesn't really have any sense of it

532
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being anything but a terrestrial

533
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something's going on she needs some

534
00:23:45,129 --> 00:23:42,529
pills or her she's agitated she doesn't

535
00:23:47,349 --> 00:23:45,139
get it at first and then she starts

536
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having these flashbacks and her friends

537
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get worried about her colleagues get

538
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worried about her and the important

539
00:23:57,159 --> 00:23:53,869
thing about Sally I think is I tried to

540
00:23:58,869 --> 00:23:57,169
take in every woman every man type

541
00:24:01,899 --> 00:23:58,879
person when I'm not saying everybody's a

542
00:24:03,759 --> 00:24:01,909
corporate litigator but I I explained it

543
00:24:06,819 --> 00:24:03,769
this way it's like I want to talk up

544
00:24:08,949 --> 00:24:06,829
UFOs from the point of view of a guy who

545
00:24:11,229 --> 00:24:08,959
leans over the fence at the barbecue and

546
00:24:12,939 --> 00:24:11,239
says hey Charlie tell your wife to get

547
00:24:14,289 --> 00:24:12,949
out of the backyard and your pajamas

548
00:24:18,309 --> 00:24:14,299
every night and stop it with the

549
00:24:19,340 --> 00:24:18,319
flashing lights you know you ecology has

550
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:19,350
always been this sort of

551
00:24:24,500 --> 00:24:21,090
like those are the crazy people with

552
00:24:26,330 --> 00:24:24,510
tinfoil hats but when you dig into the

553
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:26,340
field what you find her these are

554
00:24:31,060 --> 00:24:28,890
everyday people I mean Debbie Jordan was

555
00:24:34,220 --> 00:24:31,070
a beautician there are you know

556
00:24:37,430 --> 00:24:34,230
ministers ox you know this is an all

557
00:24:40,549 --> 00:24:37,440
walks of life type thing so I just pick

558
00:24:42,650 --> 00:24:40,559
Sally as a someone that people might get

559
00:24:44,630 --> 00:24:42,660
and then what happens they go to a

560
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:44,640
shrink because they get it wit sin and

561
00:24:49,100 --> 00:24:47,490
the shrink doesn't believe he starts to

562
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:49,110
look at things like family abuse and

563
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:50,610
drug abuse and all the normal things

564
00:24:55,159 --> 00:24:53,730
that a shrink would do and and then they

565
00:24:56,750 --> 00:24:55,169
have scars in their bodies that show up

566
00:24:59,060 --> 00:24:56,760
and where's that from are they cutting

567
00:25:01,520 --> 00:24:59,070
themselves well not in this instance you

568
00:25:04,580 --> 00:25:01,530
know if you brakel these cases i'm

569
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:04,590
trying to make salad a compendium of the

570
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:06,090
things I've seen when I've talked to

571
00:25:10,430 --> 00:25:08,970
abductees then you know Martin there are

572
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:10,440
many people in this field as

573
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:12,450
investigators who come in and are

574
00:25:16,580 --> 00:25:14,210
looking at some piece of the puzzle

575
00:25:20,810 --> 00:25:16,590
whether it's Bruce Maccabee doing

576
00:25:23,810 --> 00:25:20,820
photographic analysis or you know Roger

577
00:25:25,700 --> 00:25:23,820
Lee are doing abduction related surgery

578
00:25:27,470 --> 00:25:25,710
extractions of things that are put in

579
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:27,480
people's bodies you know there's all

580
00:25:32,060 --> 00:25:29,730
kinds of experts who get into it and

581
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:32,070
Dean Savage is one of them Milgram is

582
00:25:36,169 --> 00:25:34,650
one and then you have the people who

583
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:36,179
live with these people who are all

584
00:25:41,210 --> 00:25:39,090
affected in the second you know level by

585
00:25:43,610 --> 00:25:41,220
this presence there's tremendous

586
00:25:45,710 --> 00:25:43,620
conflict you know people get involved in

587
00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:45,720
the UFO field always find themselves in

588
00:25:49,549 --> 00:25:47,370
conflict because their parents don't

589
00:25:51,980 --> 00:25:49,559
believe their spouses don't so it's

590
00:25:53,779 --> 00:25:51,990
tremendous stress that's right you know

591
00:25:55,100 --> 00:25:53,789
a lot of times I have like a list and

592
00:25:57,020 --> 00:25:55,110
things to go down I didn't really

593
00:25:58,730 --> 00:25:57,030
prepare for this because it's so

594
00:26:01,159 --> 00:25:58,740
different compared to anything I've ever

595
00:26:04,610 --> 00:26:01,169
done before can you think of anywhere

596
00:26:07,010 --> 00:26:04,620
that we can go so I can get both Johnny

597
00:26:09,590 --> 00:26:07,020
and you Walker to talk a little more as

598
00:26:11,060 --> 00:26:09,600
far as this whole well Johnny and I can

599
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:11,070
just talk to each other that's pretty

600
00:26:20,070 --> 00:26:17,450
entertaining totally different planets

601
00:26:25,659 --> 00:26:20,080
it's really quite an interesting thing

602
00:26:28,419 --> 00:26:25,669
perfect casting see ya I can say this

603
00:26:32,110 --> 00:26:28,429
about the character is um it's very

604
00:26:33,700 --> 00:26:32,120
dissected I mean seriously um usually

605
00:26:35,980 --> 00:26:33,710
when you have an ensemble you can ask

606
00:26:38,169 --> 00:26:35,990
walker or rich or you know or if you've

607
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:38,179
done any acting yourself there's this

608
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:40,010
there's a synergy Terces camaraderie

609
00:26:44,769 --> 00:26:43,250
there's this you know your side of the

610
00:26:48,549 --> 00:26:44,779
box their side of the Box must put

611
00:26:51,879 --> 00:26:48,559
together this this story of Milgram in

612
00:26:53,590 --> 00:26:51,889
the fast walkers this asked it's

613
00:26:56,259 --> 00:26:53,600
completely for me at least very

614
00:26:57,460 --> 00:26:56,269
dissected very dissected and the stories

615
00:26:59,580 --> 00:26:57,470
coming together but they're very die

616
00:27:02,710 --> 00:26:59,590
second it's not it's not your typical

617
00:27:05,019 --> 00:27:02,720
writing you know it's some that's what I

618
00:27:06,909 --> 00:27:05,029
like the most about it i mean you know

619
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:06,919
if you want a regular soap opera if you

620
00:27:09,610 --> 00:27:07,970
watch something else you kind of know

621
00:27:12,460 --> 00:27:09,620
where the story's gonna go and it has

622
00:27:15,220 --> 00:27:12,470
this flow this is all over the place

623
00:27:16,570 --> 00:27:15,230
it's like you know a bomb went off and

624
00:27:19,029 --> 00:27:16,580
you gotta strap going all over the place

625
00:27:21,009 --> 00:27:19,039
so that's that's the cast and that's

626
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:21,019
what makes it so interesting seriously

627
00:27:25,570 --> 00:27:23,090
so it makes it so interesting I mean and

628
00:27:28,120 --> 00:27:25,580
of course the the subject matter is it's

629
00:27:29,620 --> 00:27:28,130
wicked and the lighting that Richards

630
00:27:33,279 --> 00:27:29,630
been putting on this with this film the

631
00:27:35,409 --> 00:27:33,289
war you know blast it some you don't see

632
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:35,419
much of these you don't see this I mean

633
00:27:38,950 --> 00:27:37,010
I've never seen this anywhere else so

634
00:27:41,409 --> 00:27:38,960
yeah I agree with that the style is

635
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:41,419
really is very cool isn't it yeah you

636
00:27:44,919 --> 00:27:43,010
know and his directing is great i mean

637
00:27:48,399 --> 00:27:44,929
walker the the episode that you and I

638
00:27:50,919 --> 00:27:48,409
have that's coming up um i think the the

639
00:27:53,649 --> 00:27:50,929
tug of war that we have and that's in

640
00:27:55,930 --> 00:27:53,659
that episode it's not the usual tug of

641
00:27:58,480 --> 00:27:55,940
war between two characters in any other

642
00:28:02,980 --> 00:27:58,490
script just the way it's been written

643
00:28:04,180 --> 00:28:02,990
and directed you know i mean i'm looking

644
00:28:06,340 --> 00:28:04,190
forward to working with you again i mean

645
00:28:07,899 --> 00:28:06,350
hopefully i'll see you wherever we shoot

646
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:07,909
you know East Coast West Coast wherever

647
00:28:12,370 --> 00:28:10,610
we decide to do this but I'll know it's

648
00:28:14,470 --> 00:28:12,380
it's been fun really we've been having a

649
00:28:17,259 --> 00:28:14,480
blast that's great yeah well i mean i

650
00:28:19,539 --> 00:28:17,269
agree with that i think it one of the

651
00:28:23,169 --> 00:28:19,549
cool things that you do really get to

652
00:28:27,279 --> 00:28:23,179
focus on your own character because and

653
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:27,289
makes makes acting a challenge because

654
00:28:32,130 --> 00:28:29,410
you don't you don't have these inner

655
00:28:33,750 --> 00:28:32,140
actions often and often when we do film

656
00:28:36,750 --> 00:28:33,760
together we haven't worked together in

657
00:28:39,780 --> 00:28:36,760
many weeks or months so it's not like a

658
00:28:42,150 --> 00:28:39,790
natural you know it's kind of like when

659
00:28:43,590 --> 00:28:42,160
you go to a family reunion and you like

660
00:28:45,690 --> 00:28:43,600
everyone you love everyone but you're

661
00:28:47,580 --> 00:28:45,700
like well where do we start cuz you know

662
00:28:49,260 --> 00:28:47,590
I haven't seen you in five years so the

663
00:28:52,590 --> 00:28:49,270
weather seems like they're all hopping

664
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:52,600
but i don't really know your baby or

665
00:28:57,390 --> 00:28:55,570
what you do for a living anymore so it's

666
00:28:59,820 --> 00:28:57,400
kind of like that and allows you to

667
00:29:01,950 --> 00:28:59,830
really kind of play your thing out and

668
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:01,960
focus on yourself and then when it comes

669
00:29:05,970 --> 00:29:03,970
together with what the other person has

670
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:05,980
done with their character it's exciting

671
00:29:09,630 --> 00:29:07,930
because you genuinely don't know what to

672
00:29:11,460 --> 00:29:09,640
expect for them you don't know what

673
00:29:13,860 --> 00:29:11,470
their take on the scene is or what their

674
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:13,870
take on their character is so you can

675
00:29:17,970 --> 00:29:15,730
genuinely say that you're acting that

676
00:29:19,740 --> 00:29:17,980
you're reacting because you it's like

677
00:29:21,990 --> 00:29:19,750
you met them for the first time you seen

678
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:22,000
which is it's very cool to work on that

679
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:25,170
environment that's great that's great so

680
00:29:30,180 --> 00:29:27,010
Richard why don't you go ahead and say

681
00:29:33,780 --> 00:29:30,190
where we can find this Milgrim in the

682
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:33,790
past workers okay we're available on the

683
00:29:41,190 --> 00:29:36,330
cold cast network and you just go to

684
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:41,200
cold casttv.com and look up milgram in

685
00:29:44,460 --> 00:29:43,090
the fastball or so generally we're right

686
00:29:47,250 --> 00:29:44,470
on the homepage we've been one of the

687
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most popular shows routinely day after

688
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689
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690
00:29:59,850 --> 00:29:55,750
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691
00:30:03,270 --> 00:29:59,860
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692
00:30:06,660 --> 00:30:03,280
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693
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694
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:09,880
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697
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698
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699
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700
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great actors is great well this is been

701
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:27,730
wonderful thanks so much has been a

702
00:30:34,530 --> 00:30:31,050
blast I'm sure that our listeners will

703
00:30:36,510 --> 00:30:34,540
tune in to your show and watch it okay

704
00:30:37,950 --> 00:30:36,520
thank you so much thanks so much for it

705
00:30:40,230 --> 00:30:37,960
and this is big-time and hello to

706
00:30:41,350 --> 00:30:40,240
everybody out there in UFO land we love

707
00:30:43,909 --> 00:30:41,360
you

708
00:30:47,899 --> 00:30:43,919
keep doing that great work I'm visit us

709
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enough okay so this is martin Willis and